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		<title>Bertrand Russell&#8217;s theory of knowledge (I can not believe it&#8230;!)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I won&#8217;t say &#8220;I can not believe that you call him philosopher&#8221; because that will bring difficulties in understanding the meaning of &#8220;belief&#8221;.
But I can say &#8220;Oh, my God!&#8221; and that will change nothing.
I don&#8217;t like seriousness and in support of my statement I&#8217;ll say &#8211; it sucks.
Now imagine that I&#8217;m the serious Bertrand Russel [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t say <em>&#8220;I can not believe that you call him philosopher&#8221;</em> because that will bring difficulties in understanding the meaning of &#8220;belief&#8221;.<br />
But I can say <em>&#8220;Oh, my God!&#8221;</em> and that will change nothing.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like seriousness and in support of my statement I&#8217;ll say &#8211; it sucks.</p>
<p>Now imagine that I&#8217;m the serious Bertrand Russel and I say: <em>&#8220;human beings may have an explicit &#8220;belief &#8221; that the shade is pleasanter&#8221;</em>, which will make you BELIEVE that this is the truth about belief.<br />
Now, that sucks.<br />
Because your belief will be put on Russell&#8217;s authority in philosophy and that will prove Russell wrong in his understanding about &#8220;belief&#8221;.</p>
<p>Do you understand what I&#8217;m saying?</p>
<p>Well, let me explain myself.</p>
<p>Belief has very little to do with behavior and your belief that Russell is right is not behavior.<br />
Then what is it?<br />
It is a strong positive position in your uncertainty.<br />
You believe that Russell is an authority to trust and that position is the most likely to be true in your uncertainty.<br />
Unfortunately the belief does not always reflects the truth.</p>
<p>But let us start with the Knowledge before explaining the Belief.</p>
<p>What &#8220;knowledge&#8221; is?</p>
<p>There are few types of knowledge.</p>
<p><strong>BASIC KNOWLEDGE</strong><br />
<span id="more-186"></span><br />
It is the knowledge collected in experience.<br />
I can give you an information about the taste of unknown fruit, but that would be only information.<br />
The knowledge will come with the experience &#8211; taste the fruit and know the taste.</p>
<p>We can actually say that basic knowledge comes in observation.<br />
The understanding that &#8220;observation&#8221; can be done only with eyes is wrong.<br />
Since the eyes are one of the five senses we can say that we also observe with the rest of the senses.</p>
<p>So, everything that can be observed and is observed is bringing basic knowledge in us.</p>
<p><strong>INFORMATIONAL KNOWLEDGE</strong></p>
<p>As I previously said one can give you an information about certain object or its properties.<br />
That wouldn&#8217;t be knowledge but only information.<br />
If the same information is given by great number of observers provided that evidences are included and verified by authority we conclude that the information reflects the truth and we assign it as knowledge.<br />
One does not need to personally observe the existence of London in order to have the knowledge about London&#8217;s existence.<br />
<strong><br />
LOGICAL KNOWLEDGE</strong></p>
<p>A is greater than B.<br />
C is greater than A.<br />
Therefore C is greater than B.<br />
That is certain knowledge based on information and derived from logic.</p>
<p>That is all about KNOWLEDGE.<br />
Isn&#8217;t it simple?</p>
<p>What BELIEF is?</p>
<p>I already said &#8211; <strong>Belief is strong positive position in your uncertainty</strong>.</p>
<p>Belief arises in few different ways.</p>
<p><strong>BELIEF based on TRUST</strong></p>
<p>I trust Jim because he has proved that he is always truthful.<br />
I don&#8217;t know how many balls are in the box, but if Jim says that there are five balls I believe that there are five balls in the box.</p>
<p><strong>BELIEF based on LOGIC</strong></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the taste of this fruit.<br />
As far as I know, fruits are never salty.<br />
I believe that this fruit is not salty.</p>
<p><strong>BELIEF based on PERSONAL PREFERENCES</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;I like sex and I belief that sex is good for the mental health.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;I don&#8217;t like pork and I believe that pork is bad for the health.&#8221;</p>
<p>In all beliefs there is no certainty (knowledge), but strong positive position over one of all the possibilities.</p>
<p><strong>BELIEF is not GUESS</strong></p>
<p>Guessing does not take strong position.<br />
Guessing is a a random choice from possibilities with equal (or close to equal) chances.</p>
<p><strong>BEHAVIOR BASED ON KNOWLEDGE</strong></p>
<p>Human behavior is based mainly on knowledge.</p>
<p>Russell sucks by saying:</p>
<blockquote><p>human beings may have an explicit &#8220;belief &#8221; that the shade is pleasanter, but animals equally seek the shade. It would seem, therefore, that belief, if it is not a mere characteristic of behavior, is causally unimportant.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Nonsense!</p>
<p>People and animals KNOW from experience that the shade is pleasanter.<br />
It is not belief and it never was. It was always a knowledge.</p>
<p>Animals can not have a belief for the simple fact that they can not question uncertainty and take STRONG position in it.<br />
They simply take a random choice if they don&#8217;t have knowledge as base for the choice. </p>
<p>Most of human&#8217;s decisions are based on type of knowledge.</p>
<p><strong>BEHAVIOR BASED ON BELIEF</strong></p>
<p>&#8220;Belief&#8221; doesn&#8217;t necessarily take a decision.<br />
The belief that God exist does not necessarily leads to church, rules and acting in certain way.<br />
That belief can simply be state of the mind (or the soul if you prefer so) which brings comfort in life with the idea for afterlife.</p>
<p>The belief that the unknown fruit is not salty does not make us taste the fruit.<br />
It is the desire for knowledge which is tasting the fruit.</p>
<p>Of course acting out of belief is not unusual behavior and we can observe it in our everyday life.<br />
Yet, one must be very conscious about the characteristics of behavior.<br />
A dog knows (like I do) that the bell is sign for lunch.<br />
But if the bell is in Russell&#8217;s hand it can be used as proof that dog can have unfulfilled belief.</p>
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		<title>Bertrand Russell &#8211; knowledge and logic</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8220;Can human beings know anything, and if so, what and how? This question is really the most essentially philosophical of all questions.&#8221; &#8211; Russell
Not being offensive to Russell&#8217;s logic I&#8217;d like to mark his question as illogical.
Such question should not be uttered if it puts in doubt the ability to know, assuming that we don&#8217;t [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Can human beings know anything, and if so, what and how? This question is really the most essentially philosophical of all questions.&#8221; &#8211; <strong>Russell</strong></em></p>
<p>Not being offensive to Russell&#8217;s logic I&#8217;d like to mark his question as illogical.<br />
Such question should not be uttered if it puts in doubt the ability to know, assuming that we don&#8217;t know and we will never know (any answer).<br />
It is also illogical to utter it if we assume that we have knowledge to the extent of having this question.</p>
<p>&#8220;I Know&#8221;? is wrong statement in absolute sense.<br />
&#8220;I create knowledge&#8221;? is the right statement.</p>
<p>As long as we observe we will create knowledge.<br />
All things are already known to us.<br />
We can not observe something out of our five senses; therefore we can not create knowledge out of &#8220;the five&#8221;. In this Universe there is nothing unknown to us. The details are unimportant because they come from our knowledge.<br />
<em>(How can we know what knowledge are we missing if we don&#8217;t already have the knowledge about the subject?)</em></p>
<p>The above said may sound &#8220;non sense&#8221; if one does not know the meaning of &#8220;knowledge&#8221;.<br />
What &#8220;knowledge&#8221; is?</p>
<p>The self-awareness does not use words and meanings.<br />
Meanings and concepts are created and put in words after the self-awareness observes something different than its own self.<br />
&#8220;Motion, object. Something different than myself.&#8221;<br />
We have just created knowledge by creating the concept of something which is not &#8220;me&#8221;. The same way we create all possible knowledge.<br />
<span id="more-185"></span><br />
We may combine meanings and concepts and create knowledge which doesn&#8217;t particularly refer to an observation, but all concepts used in the created knowledge are possible only because of our previous observations. The very fact that we talk about knowledge comes from the existence of something which is not me.<br />
&#8220;Existence&#8221; itself is knowledge.</p>
<p>Now we use &#8220;I exist&#8221; as explanation for self-awareness, but that is not true explanation since &#8220;exist&#8221; came as knowledge when the self-awareness observed the first thing which was not &#8220;me&#8221;.<br />
The self-awareness is not existence.</p>
<p>The mind lives in sentence.<br />
All logic is hidden in the first observation which broke &#8220;me&#8221; in pieces and brought out &#8220;existence&#8221;.</p>
<p>Once the &#8220;knowledge&#8221; meaning is created we substitute &#8220;lack of observation&#8221; with &#8220;lack of knowledge&#8221;.<br />
The same way we use &#8220;lack of knowledge&#8221; for our impotence to connect meanings and concepts for explaining behaviors and results.<br />
&#8220;Knowledge&#8221; can not be put out of us and set as goal to achieve.<br />
We are the creators of &#8220;knowledge&#8221; and it all depends on the ability to connect meanings and concepts.</p>
<p>There is no such thing as &#8220;member of itself&#8221;. <strong>All things are members of our understanding</strong>.</p>
<p>The Universe is empty of paradoxes.<br />
All paradoxes are improper wording, conscious delusions arouse in improper sentence, falsely connected meanings and concepts. </p>
<p>&#8220;Paradox&#8221; itself is a meaning for self-contradiction, but there is no such thing as &#8220;self-contradiction&#8221;. The mind sets contradiction between the member and its properties creating member with impossible properties.<br />
The paradox is the easiest mind creation.<br />
Create a member and assign properties which are contradictory to the nature of the member assigned in the name and you will have paradox.</p>
<p>In reality <em>(using &#8220;reality&#8221; meaning as &#8220;out of us&#8221;)</em> the mind can not create &#8220;members&#8221;. It can only create knowledge about &#8220;members&#8221;.<br />
No &#8220;members&#8221; exist out of our observation.<br />
Mathematics could not be associated with logic if &#8220;logic&#8221; did not exist as concept.<br />
Any mathematical result is nothing more but proof of logic.<br />
Substituting meanings does not change the nature of a &#8220;member&#8221;.<br />
There is hierarchy in the meanings and the lower serves the higher.</p>
<p>&#8220;Existence&#8221; is awareness for presence in our observation.<br />
The mind falsely applies &#8220;existence&#8221; to the object.<br />
&#8220;Existence&#8221; is a concept which sets the awareness to the understanding for something different than its own self <em>(the self-awareness)</em>.</p>
<p>The awareness does never deal with &#8220;reality&#8221; since it always deals with past.<br />
There is no present moment in the life since there is time needed to deliver the observed information to the awareness.<br />
If we can set present moment, that would be the awareness itself.<br />
In that &#8220;present moment&#8221; the existence is only concept.</p>
<p>What is the use of the existence as a member of the &#8220;reality&#8221; if it is not member of the awareness?<br />
Is the Universe existent if it doesn&#8217;t take place in the awareness?</p>
<p>Now knowing that existence is impossible without observation we can easily conclude that awareness is needed before the &#8220;existence&#8221; arrives.<br />
Then we can ask the question; if awareness is not matter, space and time what is the &#8220;existence&#8221; which appears in the awareness?<br />
How can awareness &#8220;observes&#8221; something different than its own nature, because not being space, matter and time the awareness can not be in space, matter and time in order to &#8220;observe&#8221; them?</p>
<p>Oh, we are obviously wrong having that question, because it comes from the concepts created by the awareness about space, matter and time.</p>
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		<title>Awareness beforehand</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Concept
An existence is claimed only after observation.
Existence is state of presence in observation.
The mind changes the concept by applying &#8220;existence&#8221; to the object, forgetting that the &#8220;existence&#8221; derived from (and actually is) awareness about presence.
Awareness is needed in order to make the existence valid.
&#8212;
Explanation
We work with &#8220;existence&#8221; more like a meaning (concept), but after [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Concept</strong></p>
<p>An existence is claimed only after observation.<br />
Existence is state of presence in observation.<br />
The mind changes the concept by applying &#8220;existence&#8221; to the object, forgetting that the &#8220;existence&#8221; derived from (and actually is) awareness about presence.<br />
Awareness is needed in order to make the existence valid.</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p><strong>Explanation</strong></p>
<p>We work with &#8220;existence&#8221; more like a meaning (concept), but after it was created by the awareness the mind deceivingly is applying it to the object.<br />
Actually the existence is applicable to the awareness.</p>
<p>We wouldn&#8217;t talk about existence if we never observed it.<br />
If we only have self-awareness without any other knowledge, existence is impossible as a concept (meaning, knowledge).</p>
<p>Because any existence is observed through our five senses we can say that all things are already known to us through the concepts created in the observation.</p>
<p><em>Details in <a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/179.html">50/50 (Part One)</a> throughout Part Two, Part Three, Point of Exit and Clarification for dummies as well as the <a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/184.html#comment-2615">first comment</a> in this topic</em></p>
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		<title>50/50 (Clarification for Dummies)</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The main problem in understanding the concept &#8220;Awareness beforehand&#8221; is:
the mind do not pay attention to the fact that it works with meanings and concepts created after the observation.
Once an existence was registered in observation the &#8220;existence&#8221; concept was created and from then on the mind applies the existence to an object.
That is wrong. The [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main problem in understanding the concept <strong>&#8220;Awareness beforehand&#8221;</strong> is:<br />
the mind do not pay attention to the fact that it works with meanings and concepts created after the observation.</p>
<p>Once an existence was registered in observation the &#8220;existence&#8221; concept was created and from then on the mind applies the existence to an object.<br />
That is wrong. The mind forgets that the existence applies to its own awareness and actually is observed presence, after which it became knowledge about presence.<br />
Hence the concept of existence.</p>
<p>In other words existence is a mind awareness for a presence.<br />
After the concept is created we apply it to objects and that makes it mind deceiving.<br />
Mind starts to think of existence as something out of its awareness.</p>
<p>To see &#8220;existence&#8221; in its true nature we must go back and see it as a concept created by the awareness.<br />
Existence applies to the awareness not to the object.</p>
<p>Now after repeating it few times I hope most dummies will get closer to the concept <strong>&#8220;Awareness beforehand&#8221;</strong> <img src='http://mnogo.truden.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>- &#8211; -</p>
<p><a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/179.html">Part One</a><br />
<a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/180.html">Part Two</a><br />
<a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/181.html">Part Tree</a><br />
<a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/182.html">Point of Exit</a></p>
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		<title>50/50 (Point of Exit)</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The closing of topic 50/50 in Rational Responders
- &#8211; -
POINT OF EXIT
We are at the point of exit which comes with the end of the arguments.
I can expect more discussions on my statement, but there is no way to refute it.
Until you prove me wrong atheists don&#8217;t have the right to claim more than 49% [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The closing of topic <a href="http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/sapient/atheist_vs_theist/12176">50/50</a> in <a href="http://www.rationalresponders.com/">Rational Responders</a></p>
<p>- &#8211; -</p>
<p><strong>POINT OF EXIT</strong></p>
<p>We are at the point of exit which comes with the end of the arguments.<br />
I can expect more discussions on my statement, but there is no way to refute it.<br />
Until you prove me wrong atheists don&#8217;t have the right to claim more than 49% possibility for God&#8217;s non-existence.<br />
Why 49%?<br />
Wasn&#8217;t it 50/50?<br />
It was, but not anymore.<br />
There is no way for science to prove that brain produces awareness.<br />
How is that?<br />
Because any evidence must be approved by awareness.<br />
Matter can not approve itself without awareness, while awareness is self-evident.<br />
- &#8211; -<br />
Humans intellectuality grows, concepts changes as the intellectuality grows, but the truth is always present and unchanged.<br />
Many thousand years ago Enoch talk about the observers with different words.<br />
Then Buddha talk about the Spirit with different word and after Him Jesus talk about the Spirit and the awaken Son with different words.<br />
&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
Everything is known to you and it is delivered as light, sound, smell, touch and taste.<br />
You have nothing more to observe.<br />
Start looking for the exit.</p>
<p>- &#8211; -</p>
<p><a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/179.html">Part One</a><br />
<a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/180.html">Part Two</a><br />
<a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/181.html">Part Tree</a><br />
<a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/183.html">Clarification for Dummies</a></p>
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		<title>50/50 (Part Three)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Remember what I said? &#8211; The Spirit has one only property, the capability to observe.
Of course it has self-awareness (I exist).
Through observation the spirit creates knowledge: &#8220;I observe one object, and there is one more and they are moving closer to each other&#8221;.
The knowledge &#8220;there is other existence except my existence&#8221; is created, and also [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember what I said? &#8211; The Spirit has one only property, the capability to observe.<br />
Of course it has self-awareness (I exist).<br />
Through observation the spirit creates knowledge: &#8220;I observe one object, and there is one more and they are moving closer to each other&#8221;.<br />
The knowledge &#8220;there is other existence except my existence&#8221; is created, and also the knowledge that &#8220;there are two objects which are moving closer in distance.&#8221;<br />
Meanings and concepts are created. Later the words will be created to express the meanings and the concepts.</p>
<p>All we (with small exceptions) share the same way of observation, the same meanings and concepts.<br />
We have the property of the spirit to observe and we create knowledge through it.<br />
We have self-awareness.<br />
Animals also have the same, but they don&#8217;t question (at least we think so) their existence.<br />
I think that the first intelligent human thought was to question an existence &#8211; sort of &#8220;What is this and where it comes from?&#8221;.</p>
<p>Now, we observe that we are not the only observers, and the Universe is existent even when particular observation over it is ceased. That leads as to the conclusion that we are not the main observer.<br />
Am I saning now that if the main observer stops its observation the Universe will disappear.<br />
Yes.<br />
How is that possible?<br />
As part of the Spirit we share the Spirit&#8217;s properties.<br />
If the ability of observation is withdrawn we will not be able to observe the Universe, therefore it will not be existent for us except trough the knowledge for its past or presumably present existence.<br />
It actually happens in similar way and it is called &#8220;death&#8221;.</p>
<p>The main point is the ability to observe thus creating meanings and concepts.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look in to that.</p>
<p>What is &#8220;existence&#8221;?<br />
It is the state of observed object separated as different from the self-awareness.<br />
(Do not look in the dictionaries. They suck.)<br />
We observe objects and waves with our five senses.<br />
We create meanings and concepts.<br />
The weak point in the &#8220;existence&#8221; meaning is that ones we created it we started to apply it to different objects by saying &#8220;it exists&#8221; or &#8220;possibility to exist&#8221;.<br />
We forget that existence is notion explaining presence of object in our observation.<br />
We must not apply the &#8220;existence&#8221; word (and all words derived from it) to objects, because we speculate with it and deceive our understanding. Or at least we must be aware of the way we use it.</p>
<p>Is it possible the existence of rock in the middle of nowhere without being observed.<br />
Yes it is possible and there are existing objects which we do not observe. The process of observation comes from the fact that there was existence which we were not aware off.<br />
But we are also aware of the &#8220;existence&#8221; meaning and the question comes from that awareness.<br />
The question wouldn&#8217;t come if we did never observe anything but only be aware of our existence without having five senses.<br />
So, the mind speculates with created meanings.<br />
Again: the question &#8220;is it possible existence of&#8230;?&#8221; stays in the already possible meaning &#8220;existence&#8221;.<br />
The answer is: Yes existence is already possible because we KNOW the &#8220;existence&#8221; meaning.<br />
From then on, everything which we already know as existent stands the possibility to exist in nowhere.<br />
We don&#8217;t make the rock existent with our observation, because it is already existent in our understanding.<br />
When we observe it, we will simply observe known object &#8211; matter.</p>
<p>The parallel with the &#8220;sound in the forest&#8221; can explain something very important.<br />
If there was no creature to observe the sound, there was no sound but vibrations with frequencies in the approximate range of 20 to 20,000 hertz. The &#8220;sound&#8221; meaning applies only to creatures which have sense to perceive it and interpret it as&#8221;¦ sound. Otherwise there is silence.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s play again with &#8220;existence&#8221; to make an explaining parallel.</p>
<p>We hypothetically assume that in our universe exists an entity which has no senses and has the capability to move through matter. This entity is aware of itself and the space which we call Universe. It keeps itself alive by moving through the space and matter. Actually the matter is giving (him) the energy required to keep its existence. That entity does not know that there is matter and that the matter is keeping (him) alive.</p>
<p>We do not exist for this hypothetic entity and the entity does not exist for us.<br />
So, we exist and the entity exists but that existences do not interrelate and do not appear to each other.</p>
<p>What is the Universe?<br />
Is it what we observe or what the hypothetical entity &#8220;observes&#8221;.<br />
Which Universe is existent, the entity Universe or our Universe?</p>
<p>Because we are made from the matter which we observe does that mean that all entities in the universe are made of matter and interrelate with it as we do?</p>
<p>The Universe is what we observe and our senses for observation are limited to five.<br />
The Universe except everything includes us.<br />
All evidences are based on observation (us)</p>
<p>We can not have evidence of what we can not observe and&#8230; for our awareness which is self evident.</p>
<p>Now, back to the Spirit (God, Main Observer).<br />
The spirit gives us the possibility to be self-aware and to be aware of existence through observation.<br />
The Spirit&#8217;s properties are evident in us, which makes us part of the Spirit regarding its properties.<br />
Our personalities are based on knowledge.<br />
Our shared properties are based on the Spirit.<br />
In that regard we are different personalities but one as part of the Spirit.<br />
If there is God, it is in everybody as its shared properties &#8220;“ self-awareness and observation.</p>
<p>- &#8211; </p>
<p><a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/179.html">Part One</a><br />
<a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/180.html">Part Two</a><br />
<a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/182.html">Point of Exit</a><br />
<a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/183.html">Clarification for Dummies</a></p>
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		<title>50/50 (Part Two)</title>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in high school I got two points lower mark on physics test for saying that a dual particle (wave/matter) can not behave as wave if it is observed as particle.<br />
Today&#8217;s quantum physics question it the way I did.</p>
<p>In my opening of this topic I did not want to mention the &#8220;God&#8221; word and to set you on that track.<br />
I simply wanted to talk about the Universe which discussion and existence is only possible for us trough conscious observation and conscious discussion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite sure that a quantum physicist will answer the question &#8220;Can we claim an occurrence of event without being observed&#8221; with &#8220;No&#8221;.<br />
In that regard we can not say that this universe can exist without a conscious observation.<br />
Then was it existent before to be observed?<br />
We can not know.</p>
<p>If you take a deep thought you&#8217;ll probably come to the feeling that this Universe is more like a dream world which we inhabit.<br />
That&#8217;s why I offered you to comment on the Big Bang and Guth&#8217;s theory and in the same time take a thought on my questions about them.<br />
Instead most of you jumped in conclusions and requested from me to clarify my understanding about God.<br />
Why would you need that?<br />
You should comment on the Universe, not on God.</p>
<p>I thank to all who did comment on the subject.<br />
I gave you an example how the limited by borders volume of the Universal mass creates unlimited Universal space in the modern Big Bang and Guth&#8217;s theories.<br />
If we assume borders for the Universal mass in the Singularity we must assume that there was space out of the Universe, which can not be called Universal.</p>
<p>Why am I digging in to this?<br />
Isn&#8217;t it easier to give my supportive evidences for God&#8217;s existence?<br />
After all this is what most of you want.<br />
Based on what must I give my evidences?<br />
Based on your believe about the nature of the Universe?</p>
<p>What evidence about the sound and the light can I give to a person who was born blind and deaf?<br />
You think that this is not a serious argument?<br />
Why?</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s talk about God.</p>
<p>The religions make it simple, because they put it on belief.<br />
Every religion has a belief about God but all religions explain it as Spirit.<br />
My English is not good enough for definitions, but I&#8217;m sure that all of you will agree that Spirit is consciousness in non material body.</p>
<p>Most religions put personality in God.<br />
God which I&#8217;m presenting is not a personality but Spirit which has one only property &#8211; capability to observe.<br />
I used few times the &#8220;consciousness&#8221; word and I found out that it is hard for you to imagine consciousness without intelligence.<br />
As I said few times intelligence is knowledge created in the process of separating subjects and events.<br />
Spirit or Pure Consciousness has no knowledge, but only awareness for itself &#8211; &#8220;I exist&#8221;.<br />
That Spirit will create intelligence only when observes subject or event which must be separated from its own existence.<br />
Hope that the above explanation is clear enough.<br />
Now, let see what we have as evidence for our own existence.</p>
<p>We are aware of our own existence as the Spirit is aware of its own existence.<br />
Others are aware of our existence as the Spirit when separates subjects from its own existence thus creating knowledge about other existence.<br />
We are also aware of other existences.</p>
<p>Except awareness what other evidence we have?<br />
Oh, we are aware of our material bodies.<br />
We are aware that our body needs brain through which our awareness creates personality and controls the body.<br />
Do you have other evidences?<br />
I don&#8217;t.<br />
You want me to present evidence that Spirit exists.<br />
It is self evident through your awareness.<br />
But where did I get that Spirit from?<br />
From the same theory you got your matter from.</p>
<p>- &#8211; - </p>
<p><a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/179.html">Part One</a><br />
<a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/181.html">Part Three</a><br />
<a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/182.html">Point of Exit</a><br />
<a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/183.html">Clarification for Dummies</a></p>
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		<title>50/50 (Part One)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A week ago I had interesting conversation with the atheists on Facebook until the topic was deleted.
Fine, I said, it is not first time to delete my topic or comment. Just a week before that they deleted my comment from the first page of Mr. Dawkins web site.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A week ago I had interesting conversation with the atheists on Facebook until the topic was deleted.<br />
Fine, I said, it is not first time to delete my topic or comment. Just a week before that they deleted my comment from the first page of Mr. Dawkins web site.<br />
A day latter just before they ban me from the atheist group I received invitation to join <a href="http://www.rationalresponders.com/">Rational Responders</a> and to get their rational respond to my ideas.<br />
And so I did.</p>
<p>Here is the opening of the topic <a href="http://www.rationalresponders.com/forum/sapient/atheist_vs_theist/12176">50/50</a> posted in their Web Site.</p>
<p>***</p>
<p>The Universe</p>
<p>There were two theories about the nature of the Universe:</p>
<p>1) There is no moment of creation and the Universe is ever existent</p>
<p>2) There is moment of creation, therefore the Universe has beginning</p>
<p>The evidences do not support the first theory, because it is obvious that the Universe expands, which leads the science to the conclusion that there is a moment in which the expansion started.<br />
That moment is considered to be the birth moment of the Universe.<br />
That is how the Big Bang theory took place in the modern science.<br />
However there is a weak point in the Big Bang theory.<br />
Due to the quick cooling matter in the Universe we should not observe such equally distributed matter in the observed Universe.<br />
There is also problem with the mass of the Universe and its gravitational force related to the speed of expansion and its eventual end.</p>
<p>Alan Guth came with new theory called Inflationary Universe which corrects three major points in the Big Bang theory one of which is: there wasn&#8217;t &#8220;explosion process&#8221; but the Universe inflated in â€œa fraction of a secondâ€. According to the theory the inflation was possible thanks to the &#8220;repulsive gravitation&#8221;.</p>
<p>In both theories the Universe got its &#8220;birth&#8221; from a stage called Singularity.<br />
Singularity is scientific taboo and the laws of physics are helpless for its explanation.<br />
We can only say that Singularity is the Universal stage where is no time, space and matter.<br />
Knowing that the matter is motion we can say that Singularity is Absolute Rest or NOTHING.<br />
Mind the NOTHING word!<br />
We use that word to express lack of presence but in an absolute meaning NOTHING is unexplainable notion, because it is not only lack of presence but also lack of space for any presence.</p>
<p>Now, as we all can see a scientific theory is making us to believe that the observed Universe appeared from NOTHING.<br />
Actually we don&#8217;t really believe it, because we don&#8217;t think about it.<br />
We have the evidence of an existence and we are happy with it.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t notice the lack of evidence for the assumption of &#8220;repulsive gravitation&#8221;, because it makes sense in explaining evidence &#8211; equally distributed matter in expanding Universe.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t also notice something very illogical:</p>
<p>Obviously the &#8220;repulsive gravitation&#8221; must be greater than the one we know; otherwise the expansion wouldn&#8217;t take place. If so, why the &#8220;repulsive gravitation&#8221; is not evidently present and working IN the Universe?<br />
It can only be explained if it is placed outside (!) the Universe or to avoid the stupid &#8220;outside&#8221; word we can use the less stupid expression &#8220;the repulsive gravitation only applies to the Universal borders&#8221; (correct my English if wrong).</p>
<p>We know that the science uses highly sophisticated abstractions to fit the theory to our understanding; such as &#8220;the Universe expands in itself&#8221; which is suppose to explain the question &#8220;<strong>in what space the Universe expands?</strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>The above abstraction does not explain the NOTHING notion due to the fact that in NOTHING there are no borders.<br />
What do I mean?<br />
Imagine that the Universe did not start from NOTHING but from the possibly smallest particle or even fireball if you prefer so. I&#8217;m quite sure that this is much easier to imagine than the birth from NOTHING.<br />
A material particle has properties one of which is &#8220;end&#8221; which end we call &#8220;border&#8221;.<br />
If we have border we have space and time to travel in direction opposite of the border.<br />
We need very abstract explanation to accept that a border is possible only from inside but never from outside of material volume (the Universe in this particular case)</p>
<p>We can only make sense in explaining all this if we assume that a border is possible only through observation or conscious understanding about it. That would mean that since there is no consciousness out of the Universe, no outside border exists even if the Universe has the size of a fireball or the size of the smallest known particle.</p>
<p>Now we can correct the theory by saying that the Universe needs consciousness in order to exist in itself even when it is as small as the smallest imaginable particle.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s talk about this before we move forward. </p>
<p>- &#8211; - </p>
<p><a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/180.html">Part Two</a><br />
<a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/181.html">Part Three</a><br />
<a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/182.html">Point of Exit</a><br />
<a href="http://mnogo.truden.com/archives/183.html">Clarification for Dummies</a></p>
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		<title>God, the most personal thing</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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I meet there some interesting people who make my life even more enjoyable.
Today I stumbled in to an interesting book with a colorful name &#8220;Soul Graffiti&#8221; by Mark A. Scandrette
There is interesting conversation in the beginning of CHAPTER 5: DARKNESS AND LIGHT: THE SCANDAL OF ETERNITY.
It [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad I started to go more often on Facebook.<br />
I meet there some interesting people who make my life even more enjoyable.</p>
<p>Today I stumbled in to an interesting book with a colorful name <a href="http://www.soulgraffitibook.com/">&#8220;Soul Graffiti&#8221;</a> by <strong>Mark A. Scandrette</strong></p>
<p>There is interesting conversation in the beginning of <a href="http://www.soulgraffitibook.com/2007/11/02/chapter-5-darkness-and-light-the-scandal-of-eternity/">CHAPTER 5: DARKNESS AND LIGHT: THE SCANDAL OF ETERNITY</a>.<br />
It is chat about God. Although some of the personalities in the conversation sound rough or even ignorant, I&#8217;d say that these people are the best motors of humanity and human spiritual and cultural elevation.</p>
<p>A person is never a problem.<br />
The problem comes from the personal ignorance put in the crowd and accepted as an idea to follow.</p>
<p>When a saint say &#8220;Jesus died  because of humans sin&#8221;, the weak man hears &#8220;Jesus died for our sin&#8221; and the crowd which sees no power in itself to resist the sin, elevates a Saviour, not an example to follow through which the salvation comes.<br />
The crowd doesn&#8217;t need a path. It needs a hope.<br />
Then the greedy monsters made the crowd to accept the sin in order to accept the Saviour who comes ONLY through the rules of the church.</p>
<p>The problem is not in the person.<br />
The problem is in the personalized need of the crowd to be saved.<br />
The hope that I (the crowd) have a God who will save me no mater of my personal sin.<br />
Just accept the sin and the Saviour.</p>
<p>There is no escape unless the cattle runs out of the herd.<br />
There is precipice on the end.</p>
<p>God is the most personal thing in humans life.<br />
If you have it, He is the One Who was born with you.<br />
If you don&#8217;t have it, He is the One Who will die with you.<br />
He is always present in one of the ends.<br />
And for the present He is your life and you are His Life.</p>
<p>Get out of the herd.<br />
Astray is the way to find.</p>
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		<title>Jesus and The Old Testament</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m having some kind of &#8220;frustrating time&#8221; with my Muslim friends in Facebook.
Discussing the Koran and pointing that Mohammad few times ordered killing as a solution, the Muslims answer back with quotes from the Old Testament in the Bible.
Let&#8217;s get clear about the Old Testament and Jesus.
Even Christians have problem with the Old Testament when [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m having some kind of &#8220;frustrating time&#8221; with my Muslim friends in Facebook.</p>
<p>Discussing the Koran and pointing that Mohammad few times ordered killing as a solution, the Muslims answer back with quotes from the Old Testament in the Bible.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get clear about the Old Testament and Jesus.<br />
Even Christians have problem with the Old Testament when it sneaks between them and Jesus.</p>
<p>For The Christianity the Old Testament is not a Book to follow.<br />
It is in the Bible as a proof for Jesus&#8217; coming and as a root of the faith in God.</p>
<p>When I say this to my Muslim friends they answer with Jesus&#8217; words:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Mat 5:17</strong>  Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. </p></blockquote>
<p>Jesus is right, he came to fulfill the prophesy and the Law of God who said to Jeremiah:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Jer 31:31</strong>  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:<br />
<strong>Jer 31:32</strong>  Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:<br />
<strong>Jer 31:33</strong>  But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.<br />
<strong>Jer 31:34</strong>  And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
</p></blockquote>
<p>So, Jesus came to fulfill the prophesy, not to destroy it.<br />
He came to fulfill the Law of God by signing the New Covenant.<br />
Having new one we abolish the old.<br />
And it couldn&#8217;t be other way, because Jesus clearly broke the rules of the Old Law: He did not obey the Sabbath and cured people in that day, He did not obey the law &#8220;eye for an eye&#8221; and gave new order &#8220;love your enemy&#8221;, He put the man before the gifts for the altar, He divided the earthy rules from the rules of God by saying:</p>
<blockquote><p>Mat 22:20  And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?<br />
Mat 22:21  They say unto him, Caesar&#8217;s. Then saith he unto them, <strong>Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar&#8217;s; and unto God the things that are God&#8217;s</strong>.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Do you think that The One who was hated for braking the old rules will say &#8220;follow the old rules&#8221;?</p>
<p>If we still follow the Old Testament with all its rules, why Jesus came?<br />
Do you really think that He came to say something which was known from hundreds of years?<br />
Did they put Him on the cross because He agreed with them and because He was following their rules!?</p>
<p>I am surprised that Jesus&#8217; clear message can be missed and interpreted in such a wrong way?</p>
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