Yesterday (28.12.2007) I decided to do The Dawkins experiment
You might not see it as an experiment, but I call it like that, because if you set plan for research and study on a subject you are actually experimenting.
Do and observe.

So, what was the experiment?
I simply opened a topic in Richard Dawkins website forum
My intent was to examen the thinking and logical capability of the atheists.
I wanted to see if there is any difference between religious and atheist behavior in a discussion.
It is interesting to see how the EGO reacts when is flatter or insulted.
When EGO feels flattered and when insulted?
And again - what is the difference between religious believer and atheist believer.
Yes they both are believers and we know it very well.

A week ago I had a conversation on “Freedom” with Freemasons on Facebook.
You won’t believe it but after I offered my understanding that Freedom is lack of desire they just deleted the topic.
There was no offense or bad language from my side.
It was the way I brought them to the idea and made it irrefutable.
Their EGO broke.

The same happened with Dawkins friends.
Well the topic is not deleted.
It reached 273 answers in two days.
Most of them of course troll sounding, but some of them with serious attempts to defend the atheist belief.

A very interesting result from the experiment is that although atheists claim that religions are creating disrespect between people, based on religious belief, they are more aggressive and disrespectable than any religious opponents.
They fail to prove that atheist are better communicators and community partners.

I hoped that atheists, putting their belief on science will show higher intellectual level and logical capabilities.
Not at all.
Most of them are religiously defending their belief with the primitive request “Prove it”.
If you give them prove they dismiss it not with arguments but with accusations.

[Example]

Humans moral values are first recorded as enforced by God rules in the scriptures talking about God.
Humans accepted the rules but did not accept God who gave the rules.
The world is living under the moral values of God without recognizing (accepting) God.

This is “argued” with the accusation that the one who wrote the rules did lie that they come from God.

Any way, you can read the discussion for yourself.

I have to admit that I used “dirty” ego techniques.
They worked like they do with 99% of the people regardless their belief.
When you address them with “my friend” they take it as a patronizing.
If you argue their statement and make it indefensible with the first strike, they lose their ability to move on to another field of the discussion. The EGO wants victory before moving forward. EGO can not move on other rails but on its own.
They use sarcasm but when you use it on them they warn you with ban.

Twisting meanings is the best defence of the weak person.
Atheists use it all the time.

I gave three simple points as base for God’s existence.

1) Humans moral values are given (first records) in scriptures stating “God exist”. They were given to the humans as enforced law from God. It is not serious to argue it with “they did lie about God, to make humans obey the law”. Your arguments can not be based on assumptions.

2) The scientific impotence to prove present moment makes any material based request irrelevant in connection with God existence. It unfolds endless field for discussing the material observation as a conscious delusion.

3) It is against the Logic to hold the statement “God does not exist”. Such statement has no logical end, while “God exist” eventually (theoretically) goes to an end. In other words, existence can be proved by observation, while none existence can not be proved - there is always possibility for existence.

Three points, based on historical facts, science and logic.
None of them was refuted. Instead they defined them as “preaching”.

In the Psychology text book can be found the explanation that humans tend to like other humans by intellectuality along with all the other signs.
But(!) humans don’t like people that are far more intelligent or perfect.
They feel uncomfortable in the presence of such people.

I found out that they not only feel uncomfortable, but become highly aggressive, mentally unstable and openly manifesting their dislike.
That fully applies to Freemasons and atheists.

Unexpectedly for some of you, religious people are dealing away better with their EGO when meeting person with higher intellectual level.
Their belief in God gives them a moral value which covers the intellectual gap and comforts the EGO.

I observed many interesting psychological and intellectual issues in my experiment, but the most surprising for me was the intellectual impotence of the atheists to differentiate between belief and knowledge

Atheists like most religious people don’t really understand the idea of God.
Religious people are imagining God in as many ways as atheists use to reject Him.
Presenting new explanation about God meets the same nonacceptance in both groups.

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I’m glad I started to go more often on Facebook.
I meet there some interesting people who make my life even more enjoyable.

Today I stumbled in to an interesting book with a colorful name “Soul Graffiti” by Mark A. Scandrette

There is interesting conversation in the beginning of CHAPTER 5: DARKNESS AND LIGHT: THE SCANDAL OF ETERNITY.
It is chat about God. Although some of the personalities in the conversation sound rough or even ignorant, I’d say that these people are the best motors of humanity and human spiritual and cultural elevation.

A person is never a problem.
The problem comes from the personal ignorance put in the crowd and accepted as an idea to follow.

When a saint say “Jesus died because of humans sin”, the weak man hears “Jesus died for our sin” and the crowd which sees no power in itself to resist the sin, elevates a Saviour, not an example to follow through which the salvation comes.
The crowd doesn’t need a path. It needs a hope.
Then the greedy monsters made the crowd to accept the sin in order to accept the Saviour who comes ONLY through the rules of the church.

The problem is not in the person.
The problem is in the personalized need of the crowd to be saved.
The hope that I (the crowd) have a God who will save me no mater of my personal sin.
Just accept the sin and the Saviour.

There is no escape unless the cattle runs out of the herd.
There is precipice on the end.

God is the most personal thing in humans life.
If you have it, He is the One Who was born with you.
If you don’t have it, He is the One Who will die with you.
He is always present in one of the ends.
And for the present He is your life and you are His Life.

Get out of the herd.
Astray is the way to find.

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Facebook posting about the Torah and Islam.

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OK Faaizan, I don’t like to put good people in the corner :-)

Mohammad did never say that the Torah was corrupted.
He blamed the Jews for not following the Torah.
He proved that Torah was unchanged by saying:
“Bring then the Taurat and read it, if you are truthful.”

So, the need to give the Koran is in this verses:

[6.155] And this is a Book We have revealed, blessed; therefore follow it and guard (against evil) that mercy may be shown to you.
[6.156] Lest you say that the Book was only revealed to two parties before us and We were truly unaware of what they read.
[6.157] Or lest you should say: If the Book had been revealed to us, we would certainly have been better guided than they, so indeed there has come to you clear proof from your Lord, and guidance and mercy. Who then is more unjust than he who rejects Allah’s communications and turns away from them? We will reward those who turn away from Our communications with an evil chastisement because they turned away.

Arabs couldn’t read the Torah because wasn’t written in their language.

Now you can read it because it is translated.
Now you can follow it, because you can read it.

The Torah corruption is not mentioned anywhere in Koran.
It is Muslim interpretation and justification of not following the Torah.
It is a way to separate from the Jews belief.
But Mohammad clearly said that He gives you what is in the Torah.

On the contrary, Jesus brings New Law, which is verified by many prophets and which directly is proclaimed in Jeremiah’s prophecy as The New Covenant.

Muslims should not (MUST NOT) blame the scriptures for corruption.
God’s word can not be corrupted.
It is humans who twist and corrupt the meaning of God’s word (teaching).
Even now the Christian church corrupts the teaching of Jesus, but it stays clear and unchanged in the scriptures.

Don’t ever say that God’s word can be corrupted, my friend.
Say “Do not twist the meaning of God’s words”

And now it appears (if you agree with me) that Muslims received the Torah but in a way which is understandable for Arabs and covers their culture, habits, and needs.
The base is the same “The True Word of God”.
The details deffer.

Don’t keep spite and anger toward Jews, because they are your brothers in Faith.
Don’t keep spite and anger toward Christians, because they are followers of Isa. Try to understand Isa’s teaching, and say not that it is corrupted.
It is the church interpretation which is corrupted and Christians belief and actions (of course not all of them :-)

Have in mind that corruption comes from humans.
Muslims are humans too ;-)

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I’m having some kind of “frustrating time” with my Muslim friends in Facebook.

Discussing the Koran and pointing that Mohammad few times ordered killing as a solution, the Muslims answer back with quotes from the Old Testament in the Bible.

Let’s get clear about the Old Testament and Jesus.
Even Christians have problem with the Old Testament when it sneaks between them and Jesus.

For The Christianity the Old Testament is not a Book to follow.
It is in the Bible as a proof for Jesus’ coming and as a root of the faith in God.

When I say this to my Muslim friends they answer with Jesus’ words:

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Jesus is right, he came to fulfill the prophesy and the Law of God who said to Jeremiah:

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

So, Jesus came to fulfill the prophesy, not to destroy it.
He came to fulfill the Law of God by signing the New Covenant.
Having new one we abolish the old.
And it couldn’t be other way, because Jesus clearly broke the rules of the Old Law: He did not obey the Sabbath and cured people in that day, He did not obey the law “eye for an eye” and gave new order “love your enemy”, He put the man before the gifts for the altar, He divided the earthy rules from the rules of God by saying:

Mat 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.

Do you think that The One who was hated for braking the old rules will say “follow the old rules”?

If we still follow the Old Testament with all its rules, why Jesus came?
Do you really think that He came to say something which was known from hundreds of years?
Did they put Him on the cross because He agreed with them and because He was following their rules!?

I am surprised that Jesus’ clear message can be missed and interpreted in such a wrong way?

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Today I’ve stumbled into Deepak Chopra’s article “Religion’s Greatest Enemy?”.
I have already stated in one of my articles that God’s greatest enemy is the religious crowd.
Now, Deepak’s question depends on how do you define “Religion”.

If “Religion” is “crowd’s belief about God” then the only enemy is the crowd.
If “Religion” is “Truth about God” then Religion has no enemies. It is simply ignorance not aware of The Religion.

Well, humans twisted the meaning of “Religion”, changing it from “Truth about God” to “Belief about God”.
An average intellect will see the difference, but the crowd is always below the average.
The leaders too.
Well, most of them.
The rest are average.
But God is not for the average…
If He was, then the average wouldn’t need law for not insulting parents, for not killing people, for washing your hands, for having day about God (one only day(!) ), for loving your neighbor, for not killing your children…
Why do you think the average had to have those laws?
To stop them from doing all this of course.

The law comes after the sin.
If the average doesn’t kill, no law about killing will be issued.

So, God is not for the average.

By the way, should I not use the “God” word.
Am I insulting some one who believes that there is no God.
Should I say that God is for everybody (not detached from the average)?
Must I mention Jesus Who said “don’t even think of killing”, or should I mention Mohammad who said “kill by my rules”?
Or perhaps Buddha or Laozi or any of those which you KNOW?

Spirituality?
What is it?
Is Spirituality information from the books and your ability to agree, disagree, comment and draw conclusions on it?

You wait for The Messiah?
Who is Messiah?
The one who unites people, or the one who say something new (or old), or the one who puts order in the world?
Or may be the One Who brings the Truth.

But how do you know what is the Truth in order to recognize Messiah and follow Him?
Will you judge Him by the books you have read?
Will you judge the Truth with the INFORMATION you have about it?

I’ll tell you how humans judge the Truth - they do it with the interpretation of the information they have from the books.
An because humans are CLEVER (all of them) they think that the more they read, the crosser they come to the Truth.

No, my friends.
The truth is not in the Bible, in the Koran, in the words of the Prophets, Gods, non-gods, Buddhas or whoever and whatever you think off.

The Truth is in the cookie but only after you take a bite from it.
Otherwise the cookie is tasteless.

Read millions of books about the taste of the cookie and you will NOT KNOW it.
The taste is known in the mouth - in you.
A wise man had said that the Truth is in you, and you believed him without understanding the wisdom.
I suppose that the wise man did not mentioned the cookie, or you did not hear the end of the wisdom (you are always in a hurry).

So, who can be the greatest enemy of the taste of the cookie?
Is there enemy if you don’t have the taste?
Who stops you from reaching God and have a bite from Him?
I suppose you could say that the religion does it, but what the religion has to do with the taste in your mouth?
I’d say a lot.
The religion is an expression of the sorrow-bitter taste of humans souls.

Let me tell you another wisdom.
The taste in the cookie is always the same.
But the taste in your mouth eating one and the same cookie can be very different.
The taste depends on many things.
Although it is the same in the cookie, the taste in your mouth will depend on the food you ate before, on your health (blocked nose, damaged perceptions…), on the environment (noisy, smelly, dark, light, battle field, home comfort…) and on many more things.

Don’t ask why different Prophets gave different INFORMATION about the taste.
They had it differently.

Which one is the closest to the Truth explanation about the Taste?
Look at the Prophets explanations.
In what they do not deffer?
In Love.

And now we come to the evergreen question:
How to find the cookie?
The answer is very simple - if you want to taste the Love what do you do? - you Love.

Now, I can not tell you what Love is.
I can give you some information about it, but the taste is in the cookie.

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