I am only reminding you
An existence is claimed only after observation.
Existence is state of presence in observation.
The mind changes the concept by applying “existence” to the object, forgetting that the “existence” derived from (and actually is) awareness about presence.
Awareness is needed in order to make the existence valid.
We work with “existence” more like a meaning (concept), but after it was created by the awareness the mind deceivingly is applying it to the object.
Actually the existence is applicable to the awareness.
We wouldn’t talk about existence if we never observed it.
If we only have self-awareness without any other knowledge, existence is impossible as a concept (meaning, knowledge).
Because any existence is observed through our five senses we can say that all things are already known to us through the concepts created in the observation.
Details in 50/50 (Part One) throughout Part Two, Part Three, Point of Exit and Clarification for dummies as well as the first comment in this topic
The main problem in understanding the concept “Awareness beforehand” is:
the mind do not pay attention to the fact that it works with meanings and concepts created after the observation.
Once an existence was registered in observation the “existence” concept was created and from then on the mind applies the existence to an object.
That is wrong. The mind forgets that the existence applies to its own awareness and actually is observed presence, after which it became knowledge about presence.
Hence the concept of existence.
In other words existence is a mind awareness for a presence, or to make it even simpler, existence is a presence in the mind.
After the concept is created we apply it to objects and that makes it mind deceiving.
Mind starts to think of existence as something out of its awareness.
To see “existence” in its true nature we must go back and see it as a concept created by the awareness.
Existence applies to the awareness not to the object.
Now after repeating it few times I hope most dummies will get closer to the concept “Awareness beforehand” 😀
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POINT OF EXIT
We are at the point of exit which comes with the end of the arguments.
I can expect more discussions on my statement, but there is no way to refute it.
Until you prove me wrong atheists don’t have the right to claim more than 49% possibility for God’s non-existence.
Wasn’t it 50/50?
It was, but not anymore.
There is no way for science to prove that brain produces awareness.
How is that?
Because any evidence must be approved by awareness.
Matter can not approve itself without awareness, while awareness is self-evident.
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Humans intellectuality grows, concepts changes as the intellectuality grows, but the truth is always present and unchanged.
Many thousand years ago Enoch talk about the observers with different words.
Then Buddha talk about the Spirit with different word and after Him Jesus talk about the Spirit and the awaken Son with different words.
Everything is known to you and it is delivered as light, sound, smell, touch and taste.
You have nothing more to observe.
Start looking for the exit.
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Remember what I said? – The Spirit has one only property, the capability to observe.
Of course it has self-awareness (I exist).
Through observation the spirit creates knowledge: “I observe one object, and there is one more and they are moving closer to each other”.
The knowledge “there is other existence except my existence” is created, and also the knowledge that “there are two objects which are moving closer in distance.”
Meanings and concepts are created. Later the words will be created to express the meanings and the concepts.
All we (with small exceptions) share the same way of observation, the same meanings and concepts.
We have the property of the spirit to observe and we create knowledge through it.
We have self-awareness.
Animals also have the same, but they don’t question (at least we think so) their existence.
I think that the first intelligent human thought was to question an existence – sort of “What is this and where it comes from?”.
Now, we observe that we are not the only observers, and the Universe is existent even when particular observation over it is ceased. That leads as to the conclusion that we are not the main observer.
Am I saning now that if the main observer stops its observation the Universe will disappear.
How is that possible?
As part of the Spirit we share the Spirit’s properties.
If the ability of observation is withdrawn we will not be able to observe the Universe, therefore it will not be existent for us except trough the knowledge for its past or presumably present existence.
It actually happens in similar way and it is called “death”.
The main point is the ability to observe thus creating meanings and concepts.
Let’s look in to that.
What is “existence”?
It is the state of observed object separated as different from the self-awareness.
(Do not look in the dictionaries. They suck.)
We observe objects and waves with our five senses.
We create meanings and concepts.
The weak point in the “existence” meaning is that ones we created it we started to apply it to different objects by saying “it exists” or “possibility to exist”.
We forget that existence is notion explaining presence of object in our observation.
We must not apply the “existence” word (and all words derived from it) to objects, because we speculate with it and deceive our understanding. Or at least we must be aware of the way we use it.
Is it possible the existence of rock in the middle of nowhere without being observed.
Yes it is possible and there are existing objects which we do not observe. The process of observation comes from the fact that there was existence which we were not aware off.
But we are also aware of the “existence” meaning and the question comes from that awareness.
The question wouldn’t come if we did never observe anything but only be aware of our existence without having five senses.
So, the mind speculates with created meanings.
Again: the question “is it possible existence of…?” stays in the already possible meaning “existence”.
The answer is: Yes existence is already possible because we KNOW the “existence” meaning.
From then on, everything which we already know as existent stands the possibility to exist in nowhere.
We don’t make the rock existent with our observation, because it is already existent in our understanding.
When we observe it, we will simply observe known object – matter.
The parallel with the “sound in the forest” can explain something very important.
If there was no creature to observe the sound, there was no sound but vibrations with frequencies in the approximate range of 20 to 20,000 hertz. The “sound” meaning applies only to creatures which have sense to perceive it and interpret it as”¦ sound. Otherwise there is silence.
Let’s play again with “existence” to make an explaining parallel.
We hypothetically assume that in our universe exists an entity which has no senses and has the capability to move through matter. This entity is aware of itself and the space which we call Universe. It keeps itself alive by moving through the space and matter. Actually the matter is giving (him) the energy required to keep its existence. That entity does not know that there is matter and that the matter is keeping (him) alive.
We do not exist for this hypothetic entity and the entity does not exist for us.
So, we exist and the entity exists but that existences do not interrelate and do not appear to each other.
What is the Universe?
Is it what we observe or what the hypothetical entity “observes”.
Which Universe is existent, the entity Universe or our Universe?
Because we are made from the matter which we observe does that mean that all entities in the universe are made of matter and interrelate with it as we do?
The Universe is what we observe and our senses for observation are limited to five.
The Universe except everything includes us.
All evidences are based on observation (us)
We can not have evidence of what we can not observe and… for our awareness which is self evident.
Now, back to the Spirit (God, Main Observer).
The spirit gives us the possibility to be self-aware and to be aware of existence through observation.
The Spirit’s properties are evident in us, which makes us part of the Spirit regarding its properties.
Our personalities are based on knowledge.
Our shared properties are based on the Spirit.
In that regard we are different personalities but one as part of the Spirit.
If there is God, it is in everybody as its shared properties ““ self-awareness and observation.
When I was in high school I got two points lower mark on physics test for saying that a dual particle (wave/matter) can not behave as wave if it is observed as particle.
Today’s quantum physics question it the way I did.
In my opening of this topic I did not want to mention the “God” word and to set you on that track.
I simply wanted to talk about the Universe which discussion and existence is only possible for us trough conscious observation and conscious discussion.
I’m quite sure that a quantum physicist will answer the question “Can we claim an occurrence of event without being observed” with “No”.
In that regard we can not say that this universe can exist without a conscious observation.
Then was it existent before to be observed?
We can not know.
If you take a deep thought you’ll probably come to the feeling that this Universe is more like a dream world which we inhabit.
That’s why I offered you to comment on the Big Bang and Guth’s theory and in the same time take a thought on my questions about them.
Instead most of you jumped in conclusions and requested from me to clarify my understanding about God.
Why would you need that?
You should comment on the Universe, not on God.
I thank to all who did comment on the subject.
I gave you an example how the limited by borders volume of the Universal mass creates unlimited Universal space in the modern Big Bang and Guth’s theories.
If we assume borders for the Universal mass in the Singularity we must assume that there was space out of the Universe, which can not be called Universal.
Why am I digging in to this?
Isn’t it easier to give my supportive evidences for God’s existence?
After all this is what most of you want.
Based on what must I give my evidences?
Based on your believe about the nature of the Universe?
What evidence about the sound and the light can I give to a person who was born blind and deaf?
You think that this is not a serious argument?
But let’s talk about God.
The religions make it simple, because they put it on belief.
Every religion has a belief about God but all religions explain it as Spirit.
My English is not good enough for definitions, but I’m sure that all of you will agree that Spirit is consciousness in non material body.
Most religions put personality in God.
God which I’m presenting is not a personality but Spirit which has one only property – capability to observe.
I used few times the “consciousness” word and I found out that it is hard for you to imagine consciousness without intelligence.
As I said few times intelligence is knowledge created in the process of separating subjects and events.
Spirit or Pure Consciousness has no knowledge, but only awareness for itself – “I exist”.
That Spirit will create intelligence only when observes subject or event which must be separated from its own existence.
Hope that the above explanation is clear enough.
Now, let see what we have as evidence for our own existence.
We are aware of our own existence as the Spirit is aware of its own existence.
Others are aware of our existence as the Spirit when separates subjects from its own existence thus creating knowledge about other existence.
We are also aware of other existences.
Except awareness what other evidence we have?
Oh, we are aware of our material bodies.
We are aware that our body needs brain through which our awareness creates personality and controls the body.
Do you have other evidences?
You want me to present evidence that Spirit exists.
It is self evident through your awareness.
But where did I get that Spirit from?
From the same theory you got your matter from.
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